Comerica Bank

My wife and I are planning to do an add-on to our home in preparation for our second baby arriving. We also have a three-year-old daughter. We live in Southern California and own our home. We have impeccable credit and have never been late on a mortgage payment, in fact we often pay more than the monthly amount. We applied for a HELOC through Comerica, and at first, all was great. We did our interview over the phone, then provided all the requested documents (taxes, paystubs, mortgage info etc) within a day, and a week or so later received a letter from Comerica stating that we were offered a $280,000 line of revolving credit. We only needed 90K.

They had initially told us they would do a formal appraisal on our home, but we figured since we already knew our home was now worth over $800,000 and we only still owe $400,000 on our loan, that they knew this was a slam dunk for them because the equity in our home was so much astronomically more than the loan we were asking for, and so they just offered us more "just in case". That's fine. All good. So we called back in and verbally accepted the offer over the phone and all was well. Another week went by, and we figured we should call in just to be sure all was still well and moving along. We were told all was moving along great, but that "Brian **" was waiting for our proof of home insurance. We were never informed that was needed or we would have sent it, but that's fine, we would just send the statement showing proof and continue moving along.

So we asked for Brian **'s contact information which we were given a phone number and email. We figured Brian ** must be the underwriter (he is based in Comerica's Michigan location). So the second we got off the phone we scanned our Home Insurance information into a PDF and emailed it to Brian. Several days went by with no response. So my wife called and left Brian ** a message on his personal business phone line nicely saying we've sent our insurance info that was needed and could he please call us back to confirm it was received. Another week goes by with no response. So I email him again asking to please respond so I know our insurance statement was received. Another 5 days goes by with no response.

So we go to our local Comerica branch and speak with a very nice woman named Melody who offered to contact Brian herself, which she did later that afternoon, and called us back to tell us our offered loan was only $30,000, not $280,000. This is what Brian told her. We kinda laughed at what had to be a mistake (perhaps he was looking at the wrong application?), and informed her that our letter from Comerica stated $280,000 and emailed her the letter. She said "Oh, let me call him again". Which she did. She calls us back and says Brian ** still states the loan is for $30,000. I ask her to have Brian call me so we can discuss what is happening. She does request him to call me. Several days, no call from Brian **.

So we call into the Comerica Loan customer service line again, they pull up our application number, they tell us our loan is still good for $280,000 but that Brian Weaver is waiting on... WAIT FOR IT... our HOME INSURANCE POLICY. At this point even though I'm a very nice guy, I was starting to get ** off. I informed them I had sent him this information over 2 weeks ago and have the email to prove it. I even confirmed his email address was correct with them. They said they would have him call me. Surprise, surprise, several days go by, no call from Brian. So I call his personal line AGAIN and leave a message, this time admittedly a bit less 'kind', and asked him to please call me back. Didn't call me back. So I call Melody at our local office again and she says "I'm so sorry I've never seen this happen before" (She is a very nice gal but not very high up the totem pole I imagine so there's only so much she can personally do).

But she says she will contact him yet again, which she does. Again, he never calls us. So she asks me to please put everything in writing in an email to send to her so that she could forward it to Brian ** (because obviously he was getting emails), and so I essentially bullet-pointed everything contained here in this review, attached the home insurance PDF again, and asked to speak with him regarding this miscommunication about why we were offered $280,000 in a letter, had it confirmed by multiple calls in to the Comerica loan customer service line, but that he's still telling Melody it's only for $30,000, and why does our application still show he is waiting for our proof of home insurance when we sent it to him weeks ago, and most importantly, WHY CAN'T HE CALL AND TALK TO US FOR FIVE SECONDS TO STRAIGHTEN THIS OUT. So she forwards him the email. All he writes back is "It is $30,000".

This poor woman kept profusely apologizing to us saying she doesn't know why he is saying $30,000 and why he won't call us. Mind you Comerica hadn't done an in-home appraisal for us which they said they would, which again would show our home was worth well over $800,000. We ask her if he has even looked at our home insurance statement. She says she doesn't know. We say "You do realize there is a $250,000 difference in what EVERYONE ELSE at Comerica is telling us and what Brian Weaver is telling you." She says yes and keeps apologizing. So we call one last time to Comerica loan customer service, and they tell us the same thing again. $280,000. Brian ** needs our home insurance. At this point I tell them "No, what Brian Weaver needs is the metaphorical red ticket in his locker telling him he's fired."

So now, after waiting WEEKS waiting on this imbecile, he never did call or email us, and we can no longer wait on Comerica to get their act together with him. We even asked for another underwriter, to which we were informed that Brian ** is NOT the underwriter. He is just the PREPARER for the actual underwriter! ** believable, folks. I couldn't make this Comedy of Errors up if I tried. We wasted so much valuable time on this company. I don't know if it's indicative of the company as a whole, or just indicative of one man that needs to be demoted back down to the mail room, but Brian **? Wherever you are? This is my **. You are the absolute epitome of everything that should NOT be involved in any kind of customer service.

And the thing is, referrals and word of mouth go a long way. One of our closest longtime friends is the #2 real estate agent in Southern California. My wife and I are middle class folks. But his clients are the high-end heavy hitters that would be invaluable assets to your clientele. And instead of what should have been a relatively simple process that we could have highly recommended your company to him on, we now have told him this story. So not only are we going elsewhere for our humble loan, those other high-roller clients of his will now go elsewhere as well. Fire Brian **. Seriously. I'm a nice guy and a hardworker and all about helping people. But for lack of a more sophisticated phrase, he SUCKS. I mean really, REALLY sucks. Now I'm going to go have a drink on the porch and try to forget this whole nightmare ever happened. Cheers.

It took me a couple months of going to different Comericas until this problem was fixed. I also went through the same thing with being able to access my savings through my online web banking. Now I'm going through an issue about someone depositing a check into this closed bank account and the customer service people are telling me to speak to the people at the bank and the bank is telling me to call customer service. All they do is pass the blame and do not take care of customers needs. I would never recommend anyone to bank with them and I am going to make sure I tell everyone interested in banking with someone to NEVER bank with Comerica.

However, what Comerica does, is once the vendors submit my payments for deduction, regardless of the time frame and/or order for which they were actually paid, Comerica leaves all charges made over a 24-48 hour period as "Pending Charges" and then regardless of the order they were actually made, Comerica will automatically deduct "all pending charges" starting with the largest charge first, and then withdraw the smaller charges last. By doing this, instead of having just the one-or-two overdraft fees @ $37.00 a pop as planned and paying $74.00 in OD Fees,... I end up paying several OD Fees instead, @ a whopping (as with the last scenario) $259.00!

Oh, I simply can't forget to mention a time last month when an auto arrangement deduction that I had made nearly a month earlier with my light company had put my account (THIRTY-SEVEN-CENTS) over budget,... for which I instantly went and made a deposit to cover that $0.37 overdraft,...Comerica Bank STILL charged me the $37.00 fee on a dang thirty-seven cent overdraft, which didn't even last 24 hours before a deposit was made! In my opinion, Comerica Bank is just greedy and they thrive on taking the poor man's money every chance they get... in the name of "Comerica Policy"!

On Feb 17, 2017 I call Comerica to check on the status of my claim in which time I was told that my claim had been denied. I asked the rep why and he replied just wait for the letter that will be sent to you in the next few days. I then replied "no I need to speak to a supervisor now," after a few minutes a woman got on the phone to state that my claim was denied because I still had my card in my possession, and I admitted that the last 4 or 5 transaction I made and my card was used after as well. I was currently at the police station filing a fraud claim when she stated this information.

I also spoke with card services to have my limited changed but was told I needed to go into a bank to have that done, so since I am no longer in the state of California I opted to deactivate my pin so no withdrawals can be made from this card. As I went over the letter that was sent to me I noticed misinformation to my original statement as I only stated that the ATM withdrawals and inquiries from the US Bank were fraudulent not the transaction from the ATM machine on Feb 3, 2017 as transaction was made by me in the Remedy Restaurant ATM by my work.

I then went on online to Comerica website to make a complaint and was told to call their Quality Process Department. At when time I spoke to Mark **. He also stated that my claim was denied because I still had my card and that my card was comprised because I gave my card and the pin to someone, and if I wanted my money back go find them. I asked for detailed day and time of these transaction and he stated I need to go to the police and seek recovery with them. Mr. ** was harsh, brash and very rude stating that there was no way that this could be fraud because their cards and system would have detected any invalid pin attempts and it was impossible for anyone to get my pin number unless I gave it to them.

Ms. ** called me on 2/24/17 and we played phone tag for a few days. We spoke on Feb 28, 2017. Which again I stated as a loyal customer of 10 years, Mr. ** spoke to me as if I was the criminal and not a victim. These kind of transaction has never been on my account as withdrawing $200 increments until my account was empty and overdrawn and the unusual activity of 5 inquiries before the money was taken is unusual activities and I also pointed out that I was never given dates and times because my bank statement put these inquiries on 2/6/17 but the actual transaction were on 2/5/17 and the bank never sought pics from the ATM camera in which the funds were taken.

I questioned the times of the transactions and Ms. ** stated that my last transaction and the ATM withdraws were 30 minutes apart. I then asked her what about those inquiries of $2 each on my statement before as they are between the transactions that I made and Ms. ** stated she would go back to the investigator and get back to me. To date as of 3/7/17 I have heard nothing from Ms. **.

This has been a nightmare and I do not believe that I should have to suffer this lost as this bank is federally insured and I trusted my money to this bank that obvious does not have the security to stop cyber attacked and security breaches to their system. I also believe that once I complained about their service and security system online I was then treated like the criminal instead of the victim. The harsh disrespectful tone and treatment by the Quality Processing Department (Mark **) was rude and very unprofessional. The fact that Comerica's banking system cards can be hacked while the customer still has their bank card and get your pin.

You would think that would be their top concern asking me where I last used my card to withdraw funds so some kind of security measures can be taken. But no because they won't give me back your money so it's not cost to them. The customer is just collateral damage and the cost of fixing this widespread problem is not cost effective enough for them to care. For Mr. ** to stated this could only happen if I had given my card and pin to someone is ridiculous and this same situation has happen to many people across the country so please stop with these alternative truths aka falsehoods and lies because we as consumers will not and should not allow these financial institutions to continue to let these cyber criminals take our money and not have it refunded back to us. And they still have to send me any detailed information on exact times and dates of these withdrawals.

I didn't make any transaction after I used my card at Wal-Mart. But my statement shows inquiry transaction even before I used my card and the sequence is not in order from when they started using my card. When I asked this I still haven't gotten a response. As I stated the this is not telling me when my card was actually used as the transactions on my bank statement does not reflect the actual dates of the transactions. I have filed a complaint with the Federal Reserve of National Banks and contacted a lawyer. I guess my next step is the news.

This company is as dirty and criminal as they come. They made an agreement with the US Treasury and Social Security Office to safeguard your personal information and financial information; but Comerica Bank is robbing senior citizens and disabled people blind of their Social Security Benefits. The FBI, CIA, President Trump, Congress are doing nothing but letting Comerica Bank aka US DIRECT Express rob Americans blind of our social security benefits that we paid into when we were able to work.

After going back and forth with no progress, Clarence turned around to leave out the bank in desperation. As he was leaving, he saw one of his coworkers, and asked the coworker if he was also coming into the bank to cash his payroll check. His coworker said yes. Clarence informed his coworker that he had been told there was no money in the Company's account. The coworker is surprised as this is a big company. Meanwhile, the branch manager and teller both see Clarence speaking to his coworker and they appear to know the coworker. So they wave the coworker over to them. The coworker leaves Clarence and goes to the teller and branch manager.

The coworker is then serviced, his payroll check written on the same account from the same company as Clarence's is processed. Then after the coworker is serviced, Clarence is told that his check can also be cashed, not given a reason as to what has changed. Clarence payroll check is cashed. Can you guess what color Clarence is and what color his coworker is? Clarence is ** and his coworker is **. Do you think Clarence was racially discriminated against? We are not free from racial discrimination unless we ALL are free from racial discrimination!

The next time was when my mom sent me a check to keep my electricity on and I found out that it's impossible to deposit anything, only the government's checks can be deposited via direct express. NOW just last month I noticed that once my account hits approximately $1.00 whatever "change" I had left disappears!! That small amount of money may not matter to most people but to me and probably countless others it DOES matter. I've tried twice to go with any other bank, but because of Comerica's accounting, even to get away from Comerica also takes THERE months. The first two banks I went to refused to even work with accounts from Comerica. Stated by the bank managers (I'm gonna quote as close as possible). "Our bank will not work with Comerica, not because it's a disability account but because of the way they do business."

Considering how many people are on disability these days, I can't help but wonder if they are ripping off every person of at least a dollar every month how much money they are getting under the table AND whose pocket our money is going into. Attempting to call Comerica or Direct Express is a joke in itself!! If it were possible to rate my experience with Comerica Back and Direct Express a negative zero, I would still wish for a lower rating. My opinion is that someone needs to look into this but as normal. Anything to do with the government or any banks you might as well give up before you start. Save your breath for something or someone that actually cares.

If it were possible to use emoticons (memes I guess they're called now) I would fill up the rest of the allowed character count of 50,000 with the one that looks like a pile of feces. Maybe if one day everyone that's had problems with the so-called "bank" Comerica and Direct Express either called or texted something...ANY THING would be done to stop people on disability or social security from getting ripped off monthly. Anybody have any ideas?

A couple of years ago, I deposited $2,000 CASH on a Friday. When I checked my account online, it didn't show. The following day, I checked my accnt., and still it didn't show. I asked to see the manager, and Manager #1, came out of her glass enclosed door, and she didn't give me a good reason on why my funds were not readily available. I was livid, and the teller was trying to de-escalate and explain to me why it'd happened. Meanwhile, the Manager #1, took the other tellers and spoke to them around the corner - It seemed like a conspiracy; what did she tell them?

Manager #1 then went into her glass room and got on the phone. My teller was told by the other tellers that she had a phone call. How odd. I shouted, "I can still hear you!" The manager came out and stated that I could stay as long as I wanted. I then pulled out my cell phone... "What are you doing?" "I'm calling the police." I was told I couldn't do that - Oh yeah? I tell them that I'm in a bank and my $2000 is being held by someone. Technically, it's true, especially in a bank. I then left, however fuming.

I tried to blow off steam and called the supervisors of supervisors in customer service and explained what'd happened. The supervisor then said that she'd personally monitor my account and guaranteed that the money would be there on Monday - well, it was pending - then finally Tuesday it would show. The supervisor said that the manager wanted me back at the Comerica - no, I was so angry - I told her to relay a message to the manager #1. I said, "Tell ** to dress in her go to church clothes on Monday." "Why?" customer service said. "Because I'm coming into Comerica with a News Crew, and she's going to answer why CASH deposits are not readily available."

Right after that, I was sent a survey by JD Powers & Associates... Asking if I was addressed by name and other useless information. Under "comments" I told the truth. I was later told by some of the tellers that it reflected on the entire bank when I wrote comments like that. My response was, "Then say something..." Now, Manager #1 is gone, and Manager #2 comes in, and I introduced myself and said that I'd complained to JD Powers & Associates about the incident. Her response was "Well, then go to another bank..." I suggested that not everyone drinks coffee, especially on hot days while they do have cookies to be friendly?

Since the incidence with Manager #2, I was then dealing with continued CASH deposits. I almost have to put in CASH deposits and monitor it all the way through from Pending to Posted, and forget weekends and holidays. I have to deposit almost a week and a half the CASH to show up on the screen to make sure as I don't want my AMEX to kick in.

The current Manager #2 reprimanded me as their JD Powers & Assoc. was still on the negative under comments. In fact, the Manager #2 got into my face and asked if the teller addressed me by name. I said, "I didn't recognize the new gal, and the other 2 questions on the top part of JD Powers & Assoc." It was not in a friendly term. She told me to consider going to another bank, and that while it's supposed to be confidential, she knew I was the one who wrote the comments. My response to her was as a manager, can't she make mention of the concerns of having to send the information somewhere -- I think Michigan -- and with the holidays, how long would CASH deposits take to process.

Manager #2 then called me at 4:45pm, just before closing and said that she wanted to have a "behind closed doors" meeting me 1:1. I was so upset as I suspect some corruption going on... That I called Comerica complaint, and told them to tell Manager #2, that I won't go in without an attorney or the news crew. I then went to another branch and emptied all but $5., so I'd still have access to them. I am at negative $9.+, and if I had the time, I'd file under Whistleblower, but I do not want a negative on my credit report. There's something very strange about why Comerica is so hostile. I always thought the CASH deposits would be readily available. Why would it take as long as 5 - 7 days for the deposit would take so long to process? With 3 and 4 day weekends?

I don't appreciate how Manager #1 sneakily took the other tellers around the corner. What did she tell the other tellers? I did appreciate the teller with whom I was talking, as she said I might have gotten caught in a glitch, and she was trying to calm me down. I am a retired teacher, so actually, the gal's parents were psychologists. But Manager #1 had the audacity to call from her glassed in room with an empty desk, called to tell my teller something - too obvious - so I shouted so Manager #1 could hear, "I can still hear you! - she's helping me out" Too bad the young teller left. The Personal Assistant at the Front of the Branch was trying to explain how things work. In this day and age, and especially in Silicon Valley, how can CASH deposits take sooo long at times.

I went to another branch and took out all but $5.00 so I wouldn't fall off the system. But now I'm at negative, and I don't want a negative on my credit report. I will fight and I advise anyone else to file and ask for an investigation on being bullied and nickel and dimed to death with almost $15 in maintenance and other stupid charges. Their maintenance is not up to speed.

My complaint and source of questionable practices of Comerica is why do or does CASH deposits have to go to the Midwest and back? And for a Manager to again say, "You should really consider going to another bank." I'm documenting this so I want to be able to go back and will fight with a vengeance. I wasn't JUST a teacher, as I worked with "at risk" kids, I studied law and criminal justice. And, I have a broadcasting background. I've had Identity Theft, so I want this complaint documented, and if there's further retaliation, y'all have it here.

And, for Manager #2 to call me before the end of the day, she admitted that the "comment" section of JD Powers & Assoc., was supposed to be "confidential" - she totally was inappropriate. I asked her that as a Manager, can't she express the concerns to HQ? I highly suspect a cover-up - and it may be system wide, or I have very bad luck with Comerica in San Jose.

Thanks for letting me vent. I depended on Comerica and this thing about sending the info - to god knows where. IT WAS CASH DEPOSITS... Not a 3rd party check, just CASH. Sorry for the workers who suffered from my rants, but if I withheld their paychecks not knowing when it would be settled, I doubt they'd like it. I used to teach Emergency Medical at one time, and I'd tell my students that the first person they meet represents the entire organization. This holds true for banks. Sure some of the tellers would address me by name, but it's the way my money is lost in the system and yet another hostile manager... If anything happens to my identity or they try to put a negative on my credit report, I will move this further and faster. Amen.

Mind I have a major emergency happening right now. Yesterday my mastercard was hacked. This person stolen every dollar I had in my account. I did not get notified or was it noticed until I noticed it first then reported to direct express. It took me almost 2 hours to get to the level two department to file disputes on the transactions because of drop calls or heavy call volume at one time. Just like tonight, same issues. I have some new information I wanted to report. I can't get through to level one.

I am so sick and tired. This bank is as worst as using a visa rushcard. I am at my end with this bank. I am definitely switching to a new bank. I take it personal when My card continues getting hacked because of weak security and I have to be the one to buy a replacement card because direct express will not step up their game. Also not to mention they have too many people working in customer service who can't speak english or can understand english. Half the time when this happens I have no idea what they are saying. When its a emergency you don't want to be wasting time while your card is active and your getting robbed.

Not to mention I took it personal when I asked why wasn't the transactions caught in time or was I notified the answer, was it was sometimes too hard keeping track of all the customers. Mind you another one answered the phone just to lie to me and tell me the system was updating and he could not help me. He sounded sorta weird because he couldn't answer any question I had without getting into the computer. So I hung up with him annoyed. Calling back to talk to a woman who said the systems were working just fine that whole night. Just to transfer me to level 2 for the call to drop. "I am already stressed learning every dollar I had was stolen and I couldnt get through finally I did after trying 6 times." Tonight I give up. I'll call tomorrow because every time I have called tonight I can't get through. I am very annoyed by this.

Almost a month later, I called customer service to find out why I hadn't received anything. I was assured another letter would be sent to me, and confirmed my mailing address with the representative. After another month with nothing from Direct Express, I placed a third call to customer service. Again I was told the information would be mailed. Again I verified my address. That was over a month ago, and I have yet to be any closer to receiving my husband's last few dollars from his account. The grief of losing him has been compounded by the obvious intentional deception and fraud this company practices.

I am at a loss as to what I can do. He would never have done business with this type of establishment. If anyone can help me, I would appreciate any advice. My health has suffered as I struggle to adjust to the loss of my best friend and wonder if I must simply accept having been duped by the greediness of cyber-scamming pseudo-banks that hide behind a website and a telephone line.

Meanwhile got letter from place that charged me and explained it was an error and I was owed the refund. Even with this proof Comerica - Direct Express refused to issue a provisional credit. It has been 20 days since my money was taken. This is my SSD check and that is my food budget for the month that is missing. I am diabetic and had to stop taking my insulin because there is NO food in the house. I live in a rural area with no food banks I can get to. No one there cares. It is ridiculous. I am a disabled senior and have worked all my life. I don't deserve to be treated like this. The company that charged me says as of today they processed the refund but it will take several days before my bank credits it. I did nothing wrong, followed all the procedures and am now sitting here hungry and tired of fighting for my money. This is shameful. Comerica has NO RIGHT to hold up this money.

I've already told her personally that I'm getting ready to spend my whole check mind you. So I say, "Oh, well I'm going to need to withdraw some money then," and she says, "Oh... Well you have to wait at least 24 hours..." which wouldn't have been a big deal but this was yesterday, the Saturday before Memorial day Monday meaning everything is closed until Tuesday... Setting me back 3 days... Asked her to cancel right then and there, she goes to talk to the main guy and says, "That's not possible..." And now I'm really worried when I go to say I need all the money in my account they will give me issues...

The lady seemed very upset when I calmly told her she really should have told me that especially since I just told her I was planning on doing all these things that day. Idk maybe I should have asked more questions but I feel like after sitting through all the other 45 minutes of info she told me that definitely should have been part of what she told me... I'm 24 and had just woken up and definitely didn't look like someone who could just get there bi-weekly check and let someone hold it for 3 more days. Really felt like I was being taken advantage of... But that's all. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks.

Next, I went and checked into IN TOWN SUITES, I checked in for 5 weeks. Near to the end of the 4th week. I told IN TOWN SUITES IN Dothan AL, that I would be getting out. They would not be open in the morning, but told me where to leave the card. I did so and when leaving saw the security guard and he asked I was leaving. I told him yes. I asked the IN TOWN SUITES for refund on the remainder. They called corporate and they said no, and then Office Manager told me to get off his office. He was not nice and used some curse words. I called DIRECT EXPRESS and told them that for remaining week I needed 150.00 dollars, and even sent all the paperwork along. They of course have denied me. I do not think DIRECT EXPRESS level two employees ever apply or give money back. This is wrong and I know of other people that have cards and get items back that are wrong. They are in cahoots with the Corporate items.

Was out of town, went to a Walmart, and used my debit card there. Later that day several charges attempted via this FACEBOOK "charge" with this associated telephone number 650-618-7714 CA on my account. Some charges went through, some didn't. GOT SCAMMED, but I notified the bank CHASE asap and they said it will be removed in 12 hrs. Card closed out but the scammers continue to get away with this type of stuff. BE CAREFUL and keep a check on your accounts.

It's important that your bank is notified and chargeback complaint filed. It's also suggested to file a complaint with the local police department for online theft.

Scenario: My son (Disabled Veteran) went to a reputable federal banking facility to get $2040.00 off his card. The bank processed the cash advance, however, they voided the transaction due to the lack of Primary ID. There were no funds given to my son in this interaction. The bank sent a letter to Direct Express requesting them to process this reversal as soon as possible. This federal bank was courteous enough to sit with my son and call Direct Express. DE was rude and not helpful. They didn't have any answers. After reading many of the reviews on this Direct Express and the "so called bank" Comerica Bank who only makes the plastic card for Direct Express and does not hold any of the funds I am concerned about never getting my money back.

Has anyone contacted? Yes, these people are rude, hang up on you, won't give you answers or direct you to higher management. I believe the money is going onto these debit cards, without any bank being involved, and money is missing. My son noticed small increments of money missing here and there, but now this is large amount of money "Pending" per Direct Express. If there is no bank actually involved, where is the money pending at? Cyber space? Has anyone contacted the FDIC? or OCC "National Bank Regulatory" Commission? Guess that will be the first thing on my "To Do list" tomorrow. Signed: Mother and caretaker who cannot believe this type of fraud is happening, least of all this company is being suggested to our seniors, my son/Disabled Veteran and others by our "Social Security" Administration.