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Tony of Tracy CA (08/09/08) Robert of Everett WA (07/17/08) John of Warrensburg MO (04/09/08) Charles of Roswell GA (03/26/08) Fred of M.d.r. CA (03/06/08) Jay of Beaverton OR (11/17/07) I'm a 31 year-old single guy that tried IJL-Portland for 1 year starting about May 2006. I'm the type of person that tries about anything once. I paid $1400 and I probably had roughly about 12-14 dates. I felt that each 'match' was very sub-par. Do not get me wrong, they matched me up with very successful (professionally at least) women- lawyers, doctors, financial analysts, engineers, and teachers. I did have good conversations in restaurants I had never visited, which can be nice. What they were getting wrong was what I was looking for in a partner- an active person that makes exercise and physical fitness a part of her everyday life because it is a big part of my life. They continued to match me up with women that in no way they exercised regularly. I tried very hard to be polite and communicate this problem to IJL after each date. However, I felt like they pretty much ignored what I said because it kept happening and it was starting to p*** me off. It was not until about the end of my membership where I snapped and I put to them bluntly, I don't date women that look like they weigh as much as me, and I weigh 160lbs. I don't know how else to get this through to you guys! before it finally came through to them that I may be interested in a fit gal. Thus I tried IJL, membership over, I know some neat restaurants in Portland, end of story, right? Nope. This week I received a call from IJL. I have not heard from them in months. They wanted to know if I was still single. They start up a good conversation. They informed me they are under new management, the management is more local (supposively the old manager was located in Lake Tahoe) and that the new match-makers are 'good' (though I heard these exact same comments from IJL under the old management so I'm skeptical). They tried getting my hormones going with new matches they thought would be great for me. I finally stopped them and said, how much is the renewal? $1400. Nope, not interested. I tried it, I'm moving on, I have lots of hefty expenses coming up. They did not take no for an answer. They played with my emotions, get me to think about the fact I'm 31 and in a few years I am going to be in trouble with the dating scene and there will be no hope for me. So I said let me think about it for a day. I thought about it for day. I called back the next day. I gave them 3 reasons why I do not want to renew (expensive, going back to college, don't know where I'm going to be in 6 months) and I'm about ready to say 'good-bye'. They continue to nag me. They even told me they told my 'future match' about me, even though I had not renewed my membership and I originally told them I would not renew. They played with my emotions again, started putting a guilt trip on me about the fact the new 'match' is excited about meeting me, I buckled enough to allow them to charge my credit card, but big key here is I DID NOT SIGN ANYTHING. I asked them to email me the contract so I could read it (I did also gave them my tenitive availabilty dates for my new 'match'). There's two contracts I received- the IJL contract, and authorization contract to charge my credit card. I read the IJL contract. I totally did not like what I read. Assuming I moved and I wanted to transfer my IJL account to the IJL in that town, I was going to be charged $200 (going back to school that is an expense I don't need). Second, I only had 1 year cumlative hold period. I was going to use this up real quick between potential school and some life issues I need to deal with. These two things were not going to work for me. I emailed them back and said I read the contract, I did not like what I see, they won't work for me, I'm not going to effectively use my renewal, uncharge my credit card, this is my final decision. Next day they called. Still trying to talk me out of it. They even said they would waive the $200 fee (if I would have agreed to this I would have asked for it in writing). Now I'm done being nice and professional.... I started out saying what part of 'no' do you not understand? They did finally yield, finally, but mentioned they had already told their match they were working on times to meet. Daryl of Gilbert AZ (11/17/07) Martin of Irvine CA (11/09/07) In addition, I was matched with someone on 4 occasions whose ethnicity and / or physical traits did not meet my requirements. Their staff was unapologetic of their oversights and attempted to count these dates as part of my agreement. IJL was irresponsive to my refund requests, left my complaint with the Better Business Bureau unresolved, and only provided me a refund after I threatened a lawsuit. I am writing this review to warn all potential customers of their poor service record so you don't sign up and encourage all disgruntled current clients to fight for a refund. Although they state they dont provide refunds, I was credited and the Better Business Bureau has documented several incidents where refunds have been issued. Robert of Elk Grove CA (09/19/07) I lived in Silicon Valley recently when this all occured. They didn't even provide me with a contract so I can't get them to provide me with any refund or call me back. They promised me the moon and the dates were terrible to say the least Charles of Roswell GA (08/21/07) Al of Irvine CA (08/20/07) Doug of Chicago IL (08/17/07) I met my next match, and she turned out to be Jewish. At the end of our date, my match told me that she enjoyed meeting me but it was obvious that I was not Jewish and she had requested that It's Just Lunch only match her with Jewish men because she was not interested in inter-faith relationships. Ironically, my initial interview stated that I was only interested in meeting protestant women because of my active involvement in my church. That's a basic concept that a personal touch dating service should be able to get right. Daryl of Germantown WI (08/12/07) I joined because I thought this would be a way to meet women. Instead of the bar scene. But I was taken, along with the rest. They have no idea on how to match people. I had quite a few matches, but nothing that I was interested in, and these women had nothing in common with the profile I had interview for. It was very disturbing because in order for me to meet these matches with my job responsibilities, I had to leave work one to two hours before the meeting to clean up to meet these women. Yes, I work construction and it was difficult to work my schedule to be on time. So I was very unhappy, when these women either smoked, owned cats or lived beyond the metro area. These three items were specifically addressed at my meeting with the Director. Yet, no credence was given to these three items. There reasons for matches were indescribable. They have even set me up with married women, no not legally separated, still married. Don't know why these married women were in the program, don't want to know. And yet my feedback was completely ignored. They continued to set me up with married women, or they smoked, or they owned cats of which I am allergic to. I will try to get a refund. I have read that some have been successful, and some haven't tried. I am asking for a partial refund of my year membership. This amount is $900. Daryl of Germantown WI (08/12/07) I had quite a few matches, but nothing that I was interested in, and these women had nothing in common with the profile I had interview for. It was very disturbing because in order for me to meet these matches with my job responsibilities, I had to leave work one to two hours before the meeting to clean up to meet these women. Yes, I work construction and it was difficult to work my schedule to be on time. So I was very unhappy, when these women either smoked, owned cats or lived beyond the metro area. These three items were specifically addressed at my meeting with the Director. Yet, no credence was given to these three items. They have even set me up with married women, no not legally separated, still married. Don't know why these married women were in the program, don't want to know. And yet my feedback was completely ignored. They continued to set me up with married women, or they smoked, or they owned cats of which I am allergic to. I will try to get a refund. Alan of Raleigh NC (05/22/07) Is there any way to voice a complaint about this website and the lies it sends to consumers??? Patrick of Huntsville AL (05/08/07) They only sent me on four dates and it was not a pretty picture. I paid 1400 dollars for this service. I've contacted them a few time sense, but they never got back with me for a new date. Now I find out they closed down and they have taken my money also. Tom of Dallas TX (01/09/07) Philip of Little Elm TX (07/17/06) I believe I foolishly wasted $1500 on a service that was a scam from the beginning. The money is not that big of a deal, but the disappointment and self doubt created by the situation has been hurtful. Robert of Overland Park KS (04/18/06) Unjust enrichment ($1500) from a contract whose services were inappropriate and which were not rendered in accordance with promises made. I have incurred a $1500 loss. John of Arlington VA (02/08/06) Rob of Baltimore MD (08/05/05) Bob of Raleigh NC (11/18/04) We preceded to have dinner, this person smoked, and I am alergic to smoke, and in the interview, I had requested non-smokers. This was/is very important to me. Okay, so the night drags on....she goes to the bar while I'm in the men's room and orders a very expensive bottle of wine! [Second date] Looked like a female! Thank goodness! However, I want a family. Within the first 5 minutes of our date she tells me that she is infertile! WHAT! Again, this is not her fault, however I felt so badly for her. She seemed very honest and sincere when she told me that she told the person at IJL. She also was told that this would not be a problem sending her out on dates with men that wanted a family! I believed her. She and I begin to exchange notes and we both have very similar stories to share about our night-mare with the Raleigh office. The next day I call the office to report my news and I am told that I will now go on hold because they do NOT have any ladies that want to have children. WHAT! I find that very difficult to believe. Eric of Miami, FL (8/21/05)
My first two dates were nothing like what I had told IJL I was looking for. I called to voice my concern and was treated rather rudely and told to "relax and have fun". Two more dates that were worse than the first and I called again to complain and request a refund. This time I talked with the franchise owner who rudely told me "No refunds, you signed a contract" and "Relax". I decided to give it one more try. This time I sat in a restaurant for 1 hour and 15 minutes and my date never showed up. I called the next day to cancel my account and request a refund. The next week I received a letter that stated: "As per your request, we have placed your account on hold." This is NOT what I requested. After reading the testimonials of others it is clear to me this a pattern. I believe this company preys on the hopes of the lonely to get their money and then ignores their wishes. Damages: $1300 and untold hours of my time trying to get a response to my complaints. Todd of San Diego, CA (8/9/05)
In a period of less than 2 months, not only did the San Diego It's Just Lunch office fail to provide me with any matches or introductions remotely close to what I requested (and what they committed to provide) but the Director, Franchise Owner, and Home Office Franchise Support Manager failed to return nine of my phone calls. I was told that I would need to be "more flexible with my match requirements" if they were to help me. The Franchise Owner and Home Office Franchise Support Manager both committed to refund my money in full and then soon after reneged on their commitment. I believe IJL blatantly and knowingly misrepresented their client database and their ability to fulfill the verbal and contractual obligation made to me. Bob of Raleigh NC (11/18/04):
The second date looked like a female but I want a family and within the first 5 minutes of our "date" she tells me that she is infertile! She seemed very honest and sincere when she told me that she told the person at IJL. She also was told that this would not be a problem as they would only be sending her out on dates with men that wanted a family! I believed her. She and I begin to exchange notes and we both have very similar stories to share about our nightmare with the Raleigh office. The next day I call the office to report my "news" and I am told that I will now go on hold because they do not have any ladies that want to have children. Thomas of Waterford MI (11/2/04):
As a single male wanting to meet quality women I found myself in the hands of some girls who were concerned about matching me with ladies who matchd age and race requirements only -- if it was a match send him out on it. My first date was with a lady without a job. She was not some one who I would have approached under normal day-to-day activities. IJL requires you to phone them and respond to the date that they set you up on. My responce back to IJL the next day was that she was all right but no sparks and by the way she currently has no job. I don't think that the no job thing was just a recent situation either. IJL's responce was that they do not request or require their customers to notify them if any of the information they devulge during the interviewing process changes. I can understand certain things but employment status is nice to have current. My second date was OK but still another person who I would probably have only smiled at and said hi to but nothing more. I started to have this feeling like I was just being matched up with women who only met my age and race requirements. My third and last (with IJL) date that they tried to set me up on was with a lady that lived an hour and 48 minutes away from me. I told them that I was not interested in someone who live that far away and why would they think of me for this person. Denise responded that this lady was think about moving closer to the area. I looked at my 3 of 16 arranged dates by these people at IJL and I found myself saying I can do a better job then this in a bowling alley on a Saturday night. I called and talked over my displeasure with Denise. Response: No Refunds. You signed up for 16 dates and we want to fullfill our (IJL's) obligation to you. I was willing to pay for the setting up of the two dates and the interviewing process (which they believe is worth $200 alone). No good. So I went what they call "on hold" for a while. It's where they don't call you or try to set you up on any dates. I never came "off hold" with them. I called them today to see if they would reconsider. No. No Refunds. I told them to throw out my file and that I did not want to deal with them further. They told me that I could always pass along the remainder of my unused dates to a friend. I don't have an enemy that I would do that to. Allen of Denver CO (6/29/04):
IJL is supposed to take the feedback that you provide after each date and fine tune the process so that the next date is a closer match. In reality, the people that IJL consistently matched me up with were not my type and had little in common with my interests and goals. IJL even sent me out on a dinner date with someone from Telluride, who lives over 300 miles away from where I live in Denver. IJL should have told me upfront that they were matching me up with someone who lived 300 miles away. Imagine my surprise when I found out that my dinner date lived 300 miles awayin addition to us having very little in common. Although I asked repeatedly for a pro-rated refund, I was told that IJL doesnt give refunds. One of the directors said that she would give me a one-month extension on my 1-year contract. However, she did not write this down in my folder so there was no record of the conversation. This director is no longer with IJL. When my one-year membership was up, I asked about the one-month extension. This new director didnt know what I was talking about, as there was no written record of the conversation. She said she would honor the one-month extension anyway. However, IJL never sent me out on any additional dates under the one-month extension. Damage Resulting: I'm out $1500 for the one-year membership. Jeff of Cincinnati (6/21/04):
Against my better judgment, I tried the service. Actually, a couple of the matches weren't bad and they all seemed to be decent people, some of which I dated more than once. However, Alley did not improve upon the matches she initially sent me. The interview is only approximately a 15 minute process. You fill out a one page, multiple choice questionairre and check items that you like or don't like. It's not like Alley takes time to get to know you so she can match you. She will, however, expend a great deal of time and effort trying to pry $1,300 out your pocket. After you join, you never speak with Alley again. All of your correspondance is with Whitney. Whitney receives whatever feedback you might offer about your dates. She certainly doesn't solicit any. This would add time to her day because she would have to communicate your thoughts to Alley. Like I said, once you're a member they DO NOT want to spend time speaking with you. They want to do the bare minimum. Whitney is easily frustrated and becomes rude when your schedule is not to her liking. The customer service is just horrible. This was just a big waste of my time (most importantly as far as I'm concerned) and money. Join a running, biking, hiking or whatever club before you resort to these (people). Even try online at match.com or a similar site first. At least you get to see the picture of your blind date online and exchange few emails or phone calls. Believe me, Alley sees you only once for a brief time and she doesn't remember what you look like, so if you want a good looking date, Alley will have no clue. All she does is take a passport picture of you at the interview. Also, Alley told all of my dates I had blonde hair. Hmmm... not even close. I've seen darker shades of brown, but my hair is brown. Also, she told my dates I was 5' 7" despite the fact that I repeatedly asked Whitney to revise my profile to my correct height of 5' 11". Not a big deal, but for $1,300 and being the supreme experts they claim to be, they should get this stuff right. David of Decatur GA (3/14/04):
The matches I received in DC were unsuitable in several ways, and crucial information about the women's lifestyle were witheld from me. Also I have similar complaints to others on the DC IJL about appointments set up in parts of the DC area that were very far from where I lived or worked. Since I was new to DC area, I had no idea about distance and difficulty of travel. There was also delay after delay in setting up meetings. I put my membership on hold until I returned to Atlanta, my permanent home, and I am finding that in Atlanta IJL has the same problem of being very slow to set up meetings (one in a month of membership here). Houston IJL was able to set up about 10 dates for me over four months. Many of the women I met there, however, were considerably older than me or held incompatible values (e.g. extremely conservative whereas I am very liberal--something I made clear to the Houston office). Furthermore, I am 56 and a triathlete in exceptionably good shape. I requested matches that were in as good shape as I am, whatever their age, and although the Houston IJL director assured me that she could meet my needs, she actually could not. My feeling is that the client base is too narrow to fulfill the promises they make. None of the offices reveal how many subscribers they have--I have asked and been told the numbers are "proprietary information." The delays and long waits are probably due to the unwillingness to use computers or email to do the matching and set up the appointments. Often there are several rounds of phone calls which the staff has to handle (since they must assure anonymity) before a convenient time and place can be established. I think these older, non-internet services are suffering from the competition of match.com and other online matching services. Why pay $1000-$1500 for a service that offers far less choice than one for under $100 per year? So the client base of the expensive "handmade" matching services is probably shrinking and that is a source of much of their difficulty and the cause of much of the client frustration. Unfortunately for IJL and even more expensive services such as Great Expectations, the downward sprial seems inescapable. The sharp tactics ... may be desperate efforts to halt the erosion of a business with a shrinking market which has become technologically obsolete. As for Atlanta IJL, I'm reserving judgment, but my initial impression is that they have the same underlying problem as elsewhere in the franchise. I spent $1500 and feel the claims IJL franchise directors made were deceptive. At the very least they played on my naivete. If they were required to reveal the size of their client base, broken down by age and other categories, the consumer/ client would be able to make a more objective assessment of his/her chances. But I imagine the figures would be so disconcerting that few would pay the fee. In Houston, the director admitted to a 60-40 ratio of women to men, but I have the feeling the disproportion is great than that. Even with the ratio in my favor, the results were disappointing so I can imagine the frustration of women clients. Herb of Sarasota FL (6/1/04):
After 3 days elapsed since my "interview", 1 date -- and 13 more "promised" dates, I politely ask for pro-rata refund of the $1400 (check, no credit card, thank you) that I had just shelled out. "It's our policy not to give refunds", says Stephanie (a high-pressure salesperson under beaucoup de makeup). Amazing, from unbelievable promises of more than 800 GREAT singles to choose from to "what did you expect?" Kevin of Overland Park KS (12/15/03):
I sort of got the impression that these women were paid to go out on dates, I just can't believe that after "we" had a good time that I wouldn't get a second date. I wish It's Just Lunch could give me feedback from the dates so that we could improve ourselves, and find out if we did or said something wrong. I joined in the summer and I was told that "there are a lot of people looking this time of year". My membership just ended about a week ago and they tried to get me to rejoin for a year and were going to give me 200 off on the one year which normal is 1500. She told me that this time of the year women are looking for a relationship - ha, heard that before. David of Merriam KS (10/23/03):
I'm a single male, age 45, and I'm young for my age. I was very specific regarding my criteria in a match. I wanted a woman between the ages of 28-36, no children, and with an outgoing personality. The director, Lisa, told me my criteria weren't unrealistic or inflated. She then listed me as age 42, and that I'd only accept matches with never married women (?). I went out on 7 dates. Only one woman was even close to what I specified, and she was a single mom. Besides the membership I had to pay for lunches or drinks at trendy restaurants. I contacted the coordinator, Kelly, after each date to give her feedback, but it fell on deaf ears. I also found it strange and suspicious that I spoke to a new staff member almost every time I called. The last match they attempted to set me up on was a woman age 45. When I refused the coordinator became very hostile and told me I had to meet this woman. I'm an adult and nobody tells me who to date. I had 5 matches remaining and no desire to use them again. I contacted the director, Betty, and told her I was very unhappy with the service. She argued, but then rolled over and agreed to give me a paltry $200.00 refund. About 2 months later I received my refund in the mail. David of Merriam KS (10/23/03):
I went out on 7 dates. Only one woman was even close to what I specified, and she was a single mom. Besides the membership I had to pay for lunches or drinks at trendy restaurants. I contacted the coordinator, Kelly, after each date to give her feedback, but it fell on deaf ears. I also found it strange and suspicious that I spoke to a new staff member almost every time I called. The last match they attempted to set me up on was a woman age 45. When I refused the coordinator became very hostile and told me I had to meet this woman. I'm an adult and nobody tells me who to date. I had 5 matches remaining and no desire to use them again. I contacted the director, Betty, and told her I was very unhappy with the service. She argued, but then rolled over and agreed to give me a paltry $200.00 refund. About 2 months later I received my refund in the mail. Mark of Rockwall TX (5/14/03):
My overall experience was that the service provides only embarrassment and humiliation. It was a very demeaning experience and I definitely do not recommend anyone to try this service. They refuse to refund any of my money for any reason, no matter my satisfaction. I would be happy to just get my money back, but the director says any refund no matter how much is impossible. |
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