
Nicole of Lansing, MI on May 1, 2008
I am writing in regards to a recent encounter I was unfortunate to have with Southwest Airlines this past Sunday, April 27th. My family and I were returning from a family trip to Phoenix, AZ for my best friends wedding in which I was the Maid of Honor, my daughter, a flower girl. Traveling together was myself, my three year old daughter, my ten month old daughter, their father (Fulu), and my adult sister. We had taken Southwest flight 3315 departing April 24th to our destination from Detroit Metro Airport. We had one stop in Chicago and the flight crew changed at that point. For the entirety of both flights (taxi, take off, and landing included) en route to Phoenix, I was holding Adora (recorded by Southwest as a lap baby?) in her soft sided infant carrier, by the brand name of Ergo so that I could keep her what I believed to be, the safest in case of turbulence or her squirming. My daughter Sienna, was in her own seat and she was seated and buckled at all times. Our return trip to Detroit brought some very unexpected problems.
We were on Southwest Flight 2474 departing from Phoenix. As the plane began to taxi to the runway, a male flight attendant approached our seats in passing and quickly remarked you need to take her out of that? as he was doing overheard compartment checks. I was a bit confused as to what he was referring to as the statement caught me completely off guard. A few moments later, the same attendant returned and said very rudely, Are you going to take her out and I replied hesitantly, No, I dont really feel comfortable trying to hold her during take off?. He then said that due to some incident in 1988 where a baby was strangled, they were not allowed to be used.
I told him I had used the same carrier on the Southwest flight I had taken just days before and that several flight attendants were even crowded around me and my daughter remarking how cute she was, while she was in the carrier, and that those Southwest employees had not advised me of this. His response was a snappy, they were wrong!? He then ABRUPTLY said, Then we have to return to the gate.? And walked away in the direction of the cabin. I looked for someone who could explain to us what was going on. Another flight attendant (female) came over to our seats and said that the baby carrier I was wearing was not allowed during taxi, take off or landing. I asked her to see the FAA regulations stating this (as I was concerned with the conflicting information I was receiving from various Southwest employees.) The first gentlemen then returned to notify us that they were indeed, turning the plane around to let us off at the gate. The second attendant then finally brought me a copy of the FAA guidelines, and I read a sentence that vaguely stated that a baby cannot be strapped to a person or seat using any sort of devise during taxi, take off or landing.
At this point, still worried about the safety of my daughter but wanting to comply with the rules I had just been informed of, I took my daughter out of her carrier and prepared to hold her in my arms alone. At this point, a third flight attendant (male) approached us and advised us to follow him off of the plane. We advised him that upon reading the guidelines we had asked to see, we were willing to comply with the FAA guidelines but we were concerned as to why this policy which had supposedly been in effect since 1988 had not been relayed to us nor enforced on our flight days prior. We also asked why they were still attempting to force us off of our flight, when we were agreeing to take our baby out of the carrier. This flight attendant replied that they didnt trust that we wouldnt put her right back in it as soon as the flight returned to its course.
We then PROMISED that we would not use the carrier and relayed that we would just like to continue our flight home. This second gentleman listened to what we had to say, told us he would relay the information that we would no longer use the carrier to the crew/cabin and proceeded back to the cabin area. He returned quickly to report to us that the flight attendant (singular) is not comfortable with you remaining on the flight. We both looked at each other in utter disbelief. In the meantime, select passengers within direct earshot were making remarks such as, who are they to tell her how to hold her baby? We questioned WHY we were being thrown off the flight if all we had done was asked to be shown the guidelines which we were not made aware of, nor were enforced on the first Southwest flight we had just taken- and if we were willing to comply with the rules now that we were educated on them- what was the reason for forcing us to get off the plane?
This third flight attendant seemed to be a mere messenger and the initial attendant who reprimanded us never returned to speak to us again. However, the messenger made it quite clear that it was the initial flight attendant who wanted us off the plane. At this point, we said we would not like to deplane, as it was absolutely unbelievable what was happening. We had done nothing wrong and yet we were being denied passage home on flights we had paid for, just because a disgruntled Southwest Employee felt the need to exert some form of power over a family traveling peacefully with small children. The third attendant then relayed that if we were choosing not to get off the plane, he would call security. At that point, I was so disgusted by what was happening that I said aloud that we should just get off the plane. My children were beginning to pick up on the stress of the situation and I didnt want anything more to do with this horrible company anymore.
Fulu relayed to the attendant that we would be contacting a lawyer and that this was not right, nor was this the end of the situation. We then began to get our things, and another passenger came up to me and said, If I were you, Id sit right back down, I would stay on the plane. Exasperated, I then responded to her quietly that maybe I might as well start breastfeeding my daughter. After being escorted off the plane, we were corralled to the Southwest Service Counter at the gate. There was a confused employee looking at us who advised she had not been informed as to what was going on and I said calmly that I did not care to discuss it with her. A woman identified by this employee at the counter as a supervisor came over to the counter and without addressing us personally, responded to the employee at the counters inquiry as to whether we were going to be refunded, that we were not going to be refunded because we had been pulled.
I heard this, but had decided not to say another word to anyone working for Southwest as I had already witnessed firsthand the incredulous way they treat people. I just stood silently as the woman typed on the computer and didnt so much as look me in the eye. There were law officers gathering about 20 feet from us, complete with a drug sniffing dog, but they only spoke with Southwest Employees, the third male attendant who escorted us off the plane, and eventually the woman supervisor. They never approached us, never got our side of the story, and never took any action as, I am presuming- they realized this was hardly a situation with warranted law enforcement. We were advised that we would NOT be getting our luggage back as they would not take it on the plane, and it would go on to Detroit without us. After speaking to the law officers, the supervisor apparently had a change of heart as she did indeed process the refund which Fulu requested. We were then told that there were no more Southwest flights going to Detroit that day.
So here we were, with two young children, in an airport across the country from our home, with no luggage and no carseats (which had been checked as luggage). We walked to a different area of the Airport at this time to call my friend who lived in Mesa, AZ to advise of the situation, and only at that point did I begin to cry. My friends mother in law is a travel agent, and she advised that while the situation was absolutely insane, the main thing was to secure that we would be able to get home safe, and not be stranded, with our small children, in the Airport or across the country. After her advising, we request to speak with a Customer Relations person and Fulu made headway with him, and was able to have him arrange a flight home for us the following morning. He never apologized, but he did agree that it should not have come to this.
Overall, I am astounded and still in a bit of shock over what transposed three days ago. There was absolutely no reason to remove my family from our flight. I feel that after the fact, the attendant had some sort of vendetta due to me questioning the accuracy of his flippant remarks. After we were advised of the FAA regulations, we made it clear that we had every intention to comply with them. We were removed from the plane after the fact, for no reason we can see other than discrimination.
There are several things I am hoping to accomplish by writing this letter. For one, I am hoping to obtain an apology from Southwest Airlines. Secondly, I am seeking to educate other innocent mothers and children who will have to travel by air anytime soon. Thirdly, I would like the record to be straight, and for the detailed FAA guidelines in regards to lap babies be very publicly advertised AND enforced so that another mother does not have to endure this horrific situation. I have myriad friends who have used the exact same baby carrier as what they assumed a safe way to travel with a lap baby, (myself included on our trip to Phoenix) and they had NO clue that they were not permitted due to purported safety hazards. Please help me in this matter, for the sake of mothers and babies everywhere.