I had the Closet Factory "design" a custom office for the downstairs bedroom of our home. We were presented with brochures with beautiful pictures depicting various styles of their products. We were very excited. We ended up with a poor exuse for quality for over $8,000 dollors. This was totally different than what we bargined for.
We did, as stated by Mr. G. the franchise ownner, we changed our minds on the design several times. This was done after my husband and I discussed what we really needed and did not want. We could see that the design we started on this office system would take over the room in size. We did not want this to happen so we scaled back. This certainly is within a clients rights to revise a plan, we did so three times. Tris was very frustrated with this by now and wanted to close the sale. Mr. G. in writing states it was becasue of money issues that we cut down on the size. I would never have sacrificed all the work we have done thus far in this home to put this piece of junk in my home, not for all the money in the world.
Mr. G. stating we made several revisions due to our "budget", this is so untrue. How could he even speculate and make a statement like this. He is exactly the type man who will lie for his own gain. The hell with the customer. Why we changed our minds on the design? We did, that is our right! He continues to lie and twist stories to fit excuses for his situation and to justify his position with us. When we moved into this current home, one of the first projects we did was a custom garage, drawn and planned together by the owner of this franchise and ourselves. There was not one problem becasue of his expertise with this product. There were several revisions before we decided on a final plan and we were also able to add onto the original design without a problem during the installation.
Once again, we have used other products very similiar to this. One is the California Closest Co. This closet systems has stood up in quality and remains looking like they were installed yesterday. The designs done by these people that represented both of these companies were very knowledgeable of their products. Dennis from California Closets worked for the company for over 14 years, I used him on two other projects. He knew what he was doing. I would be happy to look up on what I paid for these projects, as I have all of the projects that I have done on file.
If a garage system can look better than an $8,000 custom office system something is terribly wrong. When we sold our other homes that had the California Closet system, they looked like new when we moved out. It is a wonderful product, terrific customer service. I have buyers of these homes that can make claim to this statement. What we have now is the worst quality and nothing at all like we wanted for over $8,000. I could have gotten a much better looking piece of furniture purchased at Office Depot for a whole lot less. The designer who ordered the cabinets for our kitchen and many other sub-contractors, we have shown them the work. They are shocked at what we have for the money. I supplied a letter to back up this mess from a cabinet maker to Chase. If you need more opinions let me know. The door fronts as mentioned before are flat, not raised panels as we reguested several times. I also noted this on the form I signed.
We were really upset with Tris M. and she said she was confused as to what we wanted. I do not know how she could have been confused after taking her through our new kitchen and showing her all of the details we wanted her to match, door styles, trim work etc. We came to find out that there are no other doors for this cheap system and perhaps she knew this? If I had wanted raised panels I would have had to order them from another company and they would not match the unit exactly, she said. I would not be able to do raised panel doors on the file cabinet doors? So I would have to spend more money on something even cheaper. They would sell the doors to me at cost, which which close to $1,600. I was very upset and asked Tris to leave the brochure so that I could explain this to David.
It was clearly stated to Tris that we wanted the look we had continued into this adjacent room downstairs. We spent quite a bit of time on this issue being very specific with Tris. We soon relized that she was not that experienced with this company, certainly not a good listener. Mr. G. states in his letter that Ms Mota quitting was because of her inability to sell.
Concerning the unit: The improper size of crown molding is applied in proportion to the unit. If you did not even know anything about proportion you would see this right away, it is not even close to the right size, it is so small. The vertical molding installed was ordered to wide and sticks out beyond the crown molding and the doors. They also ran it past the doors, why, who knows? It just stops randomly, they did not bother to cut it according to the plans. It certainly was not in the design drawings. Were they just to lazy to cut it? They cut into the crown molding to make the vertical molding fit because it was to wide.
The finish and materials used: The laminate is photographed laminite, which I am sure Tris did not know about. My designer who did my kitchen told me this is the cheapest degree of material they could have possibly used. Tris had never been in this type of business before and I would assume she was not aware of this fact. I have only observed this type of laminate used in the lowest end of furnishings. This is not stated anywhere in their information. It makes it even a cheaper look. To go along with cheap laminate, the hollow core doors were not explained to either of us. They had to cut the doors twice, due to their mistakes in measurements. The recuting and the re-lamination on the edges of the doors is disgracefull. They had to fill and disguise many of the flaws, they are very noticable to any eye.
We asked Tris for lighting under the unit because my husband has very bad eyesight, glucoma and cornea transplants. She did not think it was necessary for us to spend the money nor did she know how it would be would be able to be wired. My husband had to rig his garage clip metal lamp to the edge above the desk so he could see his work surface. I could not plug a lamp near the desk, the cord had to be run acoss to the adjacent wall, same as the garage light. Just a bad look.
They did not have the grommets covers for the wiring holes so they left them as raw cut holes. We did not hear from them for many weeks after the unit was installed. Tris writes back to us that is was due to a holiday and this and that. My husband had to get setup so he had his equipment wired into the system. It would then have to be redone when the system was fixed, disrupting his work again. This type of disorganization in his type of business is a huge set back.
The unit is failing in many other areas still. The edging on the desk, there was so much glue that you can see it, it must have oozed out when applied and it is not flush to the desk surface. It is loose and would not last under any normal use. The drawers, file cabinets and doors do not close flush to the unit, none of them do. They have gotten worse as they have been installed, the file cabinets stick out much further. The gaps between each of the draweres is huge, this was pointed out to Tris and she agreed it did not look like most desks she had seen. You can run a finger inbetween from one drawer top to the bottom of the other.
Back to the files drawers, when my husband put his files in the file unit, the hardware was not strong enough to handle the weight. You had to do a double pull to open the cabinets. A cabinet maker I know stated to us that the hardware used was not of good quality. The hardware in the file drawers is sub standard for ordinary weight such as this. We have exposed wires from an electrical socket they did not know how to fix. We supplied a plate for them to use. Tris had over looked this problem in her design. She stated they would cut a plate to fit when this was discovered, but they left that undone and the plate was left on the floor. The wires are still exposed.
The file drawers were installed over the only heating/cooling vent we have in the room. We can not reach it to close it nor open it when we want. It has been really hot her lately and the rooms that we do not use all the time over the weekends and most of the bedrooms we do not use, we close the vents to conserve on energy vice a versa in the winter. No, we can't do this here, we can not reach it!! This was overlooked by Tris in the design and never mentioned to us until the files were installed on the first day of installation. We did not see this mistake coming. Tris assured us there was a simple of a suitable solution. There isn't a way for us to reach the vent.
Tris was not skilled at this job at all, she is not a designer. They train these sales reps to draw a design using simple grid paper with a ruler and pencil. You are given a rough sketch, the second or third copy of the drawing. Tris explained to us that a designer from the factory is supposed to carefully go over the design and scale so all trim is to fit and all other details are correct. A final drawing is done, this was not followed by the installers. We did have one revision because of the symetry of the cabinets and I agreed to this. I did not know they were so inept as to not order the correct size moldings. This again is just one of many problems.
The trim pieces they had made for under the file cabinets are still laying on the floor where they left them. They left it for a decorative piece to be made per Tris Mota (sales rep) orders. We were very upset about this oversight. Is this a code violation and also the uncovered electrial socket.
Tris emailed us that "they" were going to have Bell Products in Napa, manufacture a brass grid to fit along the bottom of the file cabinets, then fit it in with the trim work. Mr. G. the franchise owner of the Closet Factory did not want to absorb this cost of the brass plate himself because it was very expensive. He put the responsiblity upon Tris to come up with the plate or come up with another solution. I knew the piece from "Bell Products" would be very costly. She came up with an idea and showed us a square piece of metal mesh looking like chicken wire that she had spray painted black. This was her solution! She demonstrated to us how this would look, David and I were in shock. We told Tris no. The problem was never resolved by Tris and then she left the company.
One of the crutial errors that makes this purchase so horrible is that Tris did not plumb the ceiling to make sure it was uneven, flat or sloped. The ceiling is uneven, so the cabient doors all slope downwards and can not be fixed due to the ceiling! Why is that my problem? They never will be able to fixed, there is no solution. Roberto the head installer stated this to us clearly. I am sure that the ceiling in my kitchen is sloped in areas a well as the floor. My cabinet installer, the best in town, Pat made sure every cabinet was exact.
My husband and I upon purchasing this home just two years ago have put well over $300,000 into this home. We live at the Silverado Country Club area. This home had not had any work done on it in eighteen years. This is the second home we have renovated here at Silverado and two others done in high end manners. I have never run into this type of mess before. I have only had to fire one subcontractor. I have over looked all of these projects myself. I have a wonderful relationships with all of the people that have worked for us and if you need any of that imformaton furbished I would be glad to do so.
Mr. G. went as far as going to Napa county records to find out how much we paid for our home! He states that he has very finicky customers in the Marin area that spend a lot more than we have. The homes here start at 1 million plus, upwards to 5 million or more. Mr. G. dismisses the reason I bring this up is because his business is in Marin County a plusher area with clients that spend more on their projects.
Why he even defends where he does his projects is totally irrelevent, a home in any price range, his product should met the standards of quality work. The price has nothing to do with it. This is very poor quality. If Tris knew that we were buying something so inferior compared to the other materials we used in the house she should have mentioned this was not what we wanted.
We did this home in the manner that a home in a good market if sold would demand the price and return our efforts financially. The materials we have used throughout are of great quality. It may not be like the Queen of Englands, but it is done well. This is certainly not anything what we thought we were pruchasing based on the brouchures and Tris's eagerness to sell. What we bought is not displayed in any of the selling materials. We were told to by Tris after our purchase when I saw what we had that what we ordered was not in the pictures! What! We were so upset, why didn't she say anything. Did she need the sale?
I called Mr. G. right after this product was installed and discussed all of the problems to him. We talked for over an hour and then he said he was done discussing this and would not accomadate us by reimbursing us. I asked that his materials be removed from our home. It was a custom job he said, he would not do that. I extended an invitation to him to see his work and he agreed. Then, "on second thought, I will not come up. I do not need to do that". I felt that from this point on, that I could not trust this man.
One of the first statements to me was that he had just purchased this franchise from the parent company so he was not responsible for this job, it was ordered prior to his ownership. He called me back, stating he would not remove the system, only fix it. I assumed from this statement, that the parent company passed this job's responsiblity onto him, this was his problem. He now states in writing, contrary to what was reported to him by his head installer that the problems are minor! I can assure they are not minor and I never said they were minor. They is beyond huge!
Hiring this company for our job has been a nightmare. I have never run across this problem and a man like Mr. Greenberg before.
Tris asked Roberto, the head installer, to come and acess the installation of our office system. My husband and I, Tris with Roberto representing this company looked it over carefully, the whole unit. Roberto shook his head, saying it was the worst intallation job he had ever seen. He stated that the doors would always look crooked because the ceiling was not even. Was that our responsibility to notice this slope. That means I have to live with doors that do not fit into the door frames. The moldings needed to be taken (ripped) off and reapplied. The under sized crown moldings and the vertical moldings which was ordered incorrectly he stated should never have been put on by the installers. Roberto. He said they should have known better than to do that. All these trim pieces, edge molding all the way around the desk system would have to be ripped from the existing custom office system. His suggestion was to remove the unit from the room and repair it in the garage. Several other issues were discussed such as the wire's and the vent issue and he did not have a solution but could "come up with something".
Roberto went back to Mr. G. and explained everything to him that was said here and what he saw. Everthing, we verbally heard from Roberto in our home was competely altered by Mr. G. to protect himself of any liability and to further diminish any blame. A written version of his conversation with Roberto was put into writing to us. I could see we were in trouble again with him. My husband and I then wanted to start some type of action against The Coset Company to get this removed from our home. If I could never have straight doors on this unit (the style we did not even want)why would I want to have it fixed, it not all fixable. It is useless to us due to its many problems.
Tris left the company after she got her commision and came and talked with us about it. Mr. G. was difficult to work for and she did not make the income that she needed. She could have stated this to us prior to this, I felt ripped off by her as well. Mr. G. goes on to say in his letter to Chase, that Tris found a job that she was better suited for. I find this statment to be very true. This was not the job for someone without any design experience and did not fit Tris at all. My husband ran into Tris recently in town and she was relived that we had gotten our money back. I should be able to get in touch with her and I am sure she would be more forthcoming with her feelings on this matter.
We would like to get our total amount back from our credit company. I am so glad that I did not remove this unit so people can see the disaster. I ordered a new offie from my kitchen designer and unfortunately it is sitting in the garage. I ordered thinking that because Chase said there was no debate going by Mr. G., I could now start over again. So, I now I have paid for two office systems, the second is much less than half of the price of the Closet Factory's. Paneled doors and trim done in the same fashion of the kitchen. Made with Alder wood, stained, baked on finish and stubstainsail hardware.
I have all of the emails from Tris stating all of the problems concerning this case, including Mr. G.'s, that were written back and forth during this whole mess. This is the huge mistake I made. I came home from work just as the installers were finishing with their second day of work. They said they were not done and would be back the following day, promising to finish the work that was undone. I glanced at the problems, my husband was on the phone with a client. They handed me a form to sign, promising again to come back. This was a completion form! Tris was present during this event. The two gentlemen that installed the system were very nice. My husband and I knew Tris from the Napa Business Network group we belong to, she had just joined. We supported her through this group by using her serves.
I signed the form and stated on it that they were very nice but I also put down that the doors were nothing like I had ordered or wanted. I circled that the job was not complete. Tris never said anything to me, nor did she warn me not to sign this form, it was a huge mistake on signing. As soon as I signed, she had her commision, company had their final deposit. The installers did not sign the form, nor did they circle that the job was complete. The did not note all the problems that were left undone. The promised us they were coming back the next day to finish up We never heard from anyone for anyone for about four weeks.
Then it really all started to fall apart. With Tris gone from the company, we no longer had any fare representation. She was off for an eight week training for her new job. Mr. G. at no time called and offered anything to us. We took this case to Chase over the phone and requested that we start a debate on the purchase. They said the case was started and we would be sent a form, someone would then contact us. I never recieved the form and had to call repeatly to get one sent to my address. Chase was very rude to us stating that they had sent the form to us. We had never recieved one! Without this form sent into them the case did not get started within a timely manner.
After, many, many phone calls, which Chase has on record, I finally found Sharon H. who was a Financial Advisor assigned to my case. I explained this over the phone and countless other people before ever finding Sharon. Countless times, the same story being typed down in records by Chase, never forwarding it and assigning or assigning my case, it was very frustrating. Months had gone by. Sharon recieved the mountains of emails and company statements regarding their workmanship etc. We won our case and refunded our money. I asked Sharon if it was wise for me to take the system out since I had been reimbursed. She did not advise me, I decided to leave it, I did not trust Mr. G.
Mr. G., unknown to us started his own debate after we won our's. Sharon H., when we won our debate advised me that I should call in over the next six months (the time alloted for him to start his own debate) and check to see if he had started any action. Each time that I phoned I was told no. I checked on this monthly and on the last day of the six month period he was recharged for his wholesale amount, which I am sure included Tris's commision. The amount was over $3000 The do not have any of my phone calls on record that I called during his debate, they just checked to see if anything had been opened and a "no" was the given response. I told them I phoned to see if a case was opened and it is like you are lier if they do no have a record. When we saw the charge back on our account I immediately called Chase. I spoke to a supervisor Ms Stephanie W. at Chase, she advised us to fax a letter to open our debate again (the last chance we have).
The Finacial Advisor for Mr. G. was Ms. Jill W. who called us per Ms. W.'s request advised us that this case has gone onto a higher divison of the debate procedure. I would not know how to get in touch anyone there but I shall try. In the debate department, our case number is our credit card number which I can provide for but until I know you are going to respond, I will not send my credit card number attached. The evening we talked to Ms. W. she faxed us all of the letters and forms that Office Solutions via Mr. G. sent into Chase. Mr. G.'s letter to Chase is so slanderous towards my husband and I. " It seems to me that because the A.'s are in the mortgage business and their finances got tight, they decided to use some samll cosmetic issues to ask for a refund. This is absurd. As this is most of their argument" end of first statement.
I can first of all assure you that my husband and I are not in any financial problems. Our financial credit standing is AAA. This statement which is in typing by Mr. G., seems as very illegal, making incriminating statements about someone. I can also state, this was never the issue for a refund. It was an issue about purchasing a product that could not pass for anything by deeply flawed and paying big bucks for it. It is a shameful product. Once again, these were not MINOR PROBLEMS! Mr. G. states this over and over.
Mr. G. states that after we had the system installed we decided that we wanted nicer doors, rather than the cheap ones I purchased. Tris did not follow through on our original request. We have come to understand in the "cheap" as Mr. G. has in his own home (written in his letter) this category is what we ordered, they do no have any other door styles for this product except flat. My husband and I were shocked to learn we had ordered the cheapest product. It was never prsented to us this way. Mr. G. calls this a charade. This is about fair business and a company that does not stand behind their shody product. He has lied about so many things and twisted it to be all minor issues. This is his charade.
In an other letter to Chase he states; "these clients apparently are suffering the same as many people in these difficult economic times and rather than pay for the product and service that they recieved and did not allow my company to resolve the minor issues, they want their money back. We spent time designing the system, paid for materials, sales commission and labor to build and install the system." He further states that the since the ten months of the installation has the client has never requested/allowed us to make good.
Tris admits to many of the mistakes herself. Her email to us she writes, stating it all in such a way that very smartly puts herself in a non commital position for the responsiblity . She did not listen to what we wanted for doors, she got the request for the trim correct but not the doors. As, stated before we discussed this with her very clearly we wanted paneled doors. He states we were on a tight budget! How he can make this assumption. this is so untrue. We never refered that we were on a budget at all to Ms. M. This is total fabrication. I refused to take Mr. G.'s offers of "fixing the minor repairs" as he put it because he diminished and lied about what Roberto said concerning our job. He is a lier and I felt that any repairs done would have sealed the "deal" and left him unaccountable for any other parts of this mess if they had not been fixed to our satisfaction.
We are not unreasonable people, but we will not be taken to the "cleaners" on a product that is not worth even half of what we paid, nor work with someone who minimilizes all the problems. I did go down and visit the showroom, which he states I did not. He does not know that I was there. What you see, there are very lovely examples of their much, much nicer lines. I can no longer go one with this letter. It is so hard to write in this format. I have probably repeated paragraphs and issues several times. I hope someone takes time to read it and follow through with me. Sorry for the poor writing but I could not go back easily to see what I had already said.
The ecomomical damage is that I have an $8,000 office system that is falling apart and was never completed. We won a debate with Chase from our Visa card and Mr. G. from Office solutions in Marin, Ca. We just had our credit card re charged for this horrible product. So, now I have to go through this again? It is failing in so many areas and was never fininished, done with code violations. Pieces left on the floor, the sales rep quit, it just goes on.