
Robert of Pittsburgh, PA on April 13, 2012
Satisfaction Rating1/5
I contacted Quicken about an FHA streamline refinance. I was informed that I would need to pay a $400.00 in good faith payment to proceed, but this amount would be applied towards my loan. I uncomfortably agreed. I asked multiple times as to if this was a "no money down" loan and was assured it was. However, during the course of the information gathering and the agent running my credit, he would now and again change the definition of a "no money down" refinance. I was informed my credit and income were excellent, and he saw no problems and would get this shipped off to underwriting for immediate approval. I asked if it was going to cost me anything more than the $400.00 I had already paid and was told "Well, we may need you to come up with an additional $735.00 to prepay 6 months of taxes and insurance but they might be able to roll it into the loan." So I may not have to pay anything.
I had to remind them if they meant anything more than the $400.00 was already paid by me. So I got a call back and was told "Well, great news! It will only cost you an additional $300.00 at closing." I was like "Well, that's better than $735.00," though I was not real happy. Then I got a call back about 15 minutes later and was told "Oops, we made a mistake. It will cost you $735.00 more." I was like "Wow, sounds a bit fishy here." I was told they had contacted the previous lender and had the payoff and also that I had over $2000.00 in an escrow account and that my monthly payment might change again from the quoted amount because it is common practice for mortgage companies to apply this amount against payoff instead of refunding it to the consumer.
So several days went by, and I was contacted, care of MY QL, for all the paperwork and got a notice that the loan was approved and to look over the final paperwork. I scanned the loan and now see that I need to bring $2300.00 at closing. I called them and questioned this $2300.00, since I had already been informed it was $735.00 . I was told that's to cover my taxes that are due. It was suggested to me by Quicken to contact the previous lender and have them pay my taxes from the escrow account and that I needed to provide them proof they were paid and they would adjust the $2300.00.
I contacted the previous lender and got the taxes paid. I also questioned them about what they do with the escrow account. They said they return it to the consumer unless the new finance company requests otherwise. I said ok. I provided proof of the taxes being paid to Quicken and was now told I only needed to bring $200.00 to closing and that a closing agent would contact me to make the arrangements.
I got a call and was told we needed to wait a month to close, because FHA prepays their interest in advance and it would cost me $735.00 at closing if we close now. I said, "Ok, so you want me to make a full payment which is more than this amount? That's silly." She said, "Ok, let me plug in the figures and see what you will have to pay to close now." Then she said, "Oops, it does benefit you to close now. It will cost you $507.00 to close now." I said ok. So that means $400.00 at the beginning and $507.00 now--a total of $907.00 for a "no cost" streamline refinance. So we close and was told I have 3 days to walk away from the loan, no questions asked.
5 days later, I got a phone call from Quicken which told me I needed to pay them $1900.00 more because I called and had the previous lender pay the taxes and it affected the final payoff by that amount. I said, "For one thing, you told me to have them pay the taxes; and for a second thing, you gave me the payoff separate from the amount in escrow. Plus on your contract, it shows payoff; and I have a loan balance amount from my mortgage statement. And I had started a streamline with the previous lender but backed out when they started to change amounts needed at closing and how unprofessional they were. The payoff I received from the previous lender had the escrow on a different line. It is only $75.00, different than your payoff amount. Plus I made 2 more payments after these payoffs were given. So if I had over $2000 in escrow, how could this amount to $1900.00? Did they used that figure in their payoff quote to you? Plus if you look at the contract I signed and the new amount, it only adds up to about $900 difference. What's going on here?"
I was informed the math is pretty complex and that I just was not understanding it. And they assured me they were right, and I had no choice. I called several times questioning it and was finally told "Well, we made a mistake not getting a final payoff before the closing, so for this, we will allow you 6 months to pay it off interest-free." I was like "Wow, I guess I have no choice."
I think it's weird how you waited until the grace period was over to inform me. It sounds fishy. I was told "Well, the first payment will be due April 1." I had not received anything from Quicken about this due payment, so I was waiting. Then last week, I got a check in the mail from the previous lender for the balance left over from the escrow account after the taxes were paid. I called them and questioned this check. I said I was told from Quicken that it was applied against the mortgage payoff and I wanted to know why I was getting a check. I was informed for the second time that it is not now nor has it ever been their policy to apply it against payoff. I told them Quicken said they paid off the loan and that I was told it was $1900.00 short, so they had to send a 2nd payment. I was told that Quicken obtained the payoff amount 4 separate times and that it fluctuated $95.00 total from the first one to the last one.
Quicken made 1 payment. The escrow was never quoted in payoff. I contacted Quicken loans and asked for an explanation, and I was told "Well, the previous lender is wrong, and they put it in the payoff." I again said, "That's fine, but the math still doesn't add up." I have several problems here. For one, I was told by a Quicken agent the monthly payment could change if the escrow is used against the payoff they received. He quoted me the payoff and told me how much was in escrow. They told me to contact the lender and have them pay my due taxes. So do the math. $400.00 good faith, $507.00 at closing, and $1900.00 more due. That's $2807.00. So I'm being told this was for the taxes they paid--approximately $1900.00 plus the interest to pay off the loan early plus 6 months cushion on taxes and homeowner's insurance.
You know, being in business myself, when I make a mistake, I man up and take the loss. They were saying "We screwed up. Sorry, but you have to pay, no matter what. You can't cancel the loan and surely you are not going to default on it, so pay it, kiss my rear end, and have a nice day." Here is what I think happened. Their agent informed me to check with the previous lender, and I confirmed the escrow was not quoted in payoff and it would be returned to me. Well, they made good. They paid the taxes as I requested and returned the unused portion to me.
I feel in the background, they were fudging the paperwork to hide the fact they were taking the escrow amount and thought I was going to pay the taxes at closing. The funny part is when they told me I had to pay these taxes at closing, they also informed me that I would be getting the escrow refunded to me anyway and would be getting my money back once I got the escrow balance refund check from the previous lender. So pay now but get that refunded in a month. So what or who am I to believe here? I have no confidence in them whatsoever and feel this is negligent on all levels. How can you treat clients this way?
So they called last night and assured me I should be getting a payment slip for the $1900.00 any day now and that they would extend it to 10 months to pay off. So it was due on April 1? They need to man up and make this right. Is this common practice?