In Feb I was in the middle of a cell phone contract with US Cellular when decided I wanted a pda phone for personal use only. (family pictures, contacts with addresses, calendar for scheduling, notes for lists, reminders, load some games, birthdays, handy camera for pets and grandchild and cell phone all in one). However I did not want the internet (I do not text, email, nor would I browse the net) I did not want to pay for something I would not use. I went to my local cellular store (Wood River IL) to get information about options available based on what I wanted and did not want. They do not have sim cards so an unlocked pda phone I wanted would not work with my cell network. I was told I could purchase a used pda from an individual, as long as it was a US Cellular pda phone, I would have no problems transfering my phone service or my contract.
Around April US Cellular came out with the HTC ppc 6800. Later that month I again went to my local store to ask questions. They did not have one on display. I stated what I wanted and didn't want. I would be due for an upgrade in August with a new 2 yr phone contract. To get their price I would also have to sign a 2 yr data service contract in addition to the 2 yr phone contract. I was told "US Cellular will not sell you the phone with out the phone and data contracts. "If I am willing to forego the rebates, would I still have to sign a web contract." The answer YES! I remember telling her "Your kidding, thats really stupid, I wonder how many phone contracts and phone sales their losing over that decision, they just lost me because I will not sign a contract for something I won't use.
I also mentioned something to the effect their on line pricing and contract descriptions for the HTC were misleading, it was not the same as I was being told in store. I asked about buying from an individual, since US Cellular HTCs were already being sold on ebay. Again I was told as long as it is a US Cellular phone you can have your phone service transferred, you won't have to have the data service or wait until August for the upgrade." One of the male employees offered to sell me a discounted pda (they had two to get rid of they were returns or models they were fasing out)without a data plan, but I did not want a blackberry.
So I started looking at the HTC 6800 on ebay and Craigs List. It was not the pda I wanted but if I went with this phone I would not have to think about changing carriers when my contract expired. The prices were higher than if the phones were purchased thru US Cellular, but people were buying them. I assumed people like me that wanted the pda and phone but did not want the web. I always asked specific questions "Does the phone and all pda functions (pictures, calendar, contacts, notes, load games and phone) work without the internet. The answer I always received was yes all those functions will work without the web, and you don't have to have the data services. Of course being a PDA phone, I knew they should all work without the web.
I ran across one close to home. The man had purchased it new, April 1, it was more phone than he wanted, there was a problem with answering it at work, and he also wanted to get out of his data service contract, and go back to a regular phone. When he realized I had a razr, he offered to discount his asking price for the trade of my phone. The deciding factor to purchase from this man, he was using the phone as we spoke, and he was more than willing to meet me at a US Cellular store to have our services transferred. Perfect, how could I go wrong, I would know the phone worked and if there were transfer issues I would know before purchasing.
June 16: met Mr Red D. @ the US Cellular store; West Florissant Ave Ferguson MO. Red D., his wife and I were greeted by three store employees. Red and I explained to the reps we wanted to have our phone services switched to each others phone and I was purchasing his HTC 6800. One of the reps said something about having the data services switched. I said " I don't have data service and I don't want data service. "One young man said you have to have the data service to have that phone switched to your service." I specifically replied "IF I HAVE TO HAVE THE DATA SERVICE I DO NOT WANT TO BUY THE PHONE. I don't email, text message or browse the net, I just want the pda functions with phone. I already pay US Cellular $230 to $240 a month for a family plan, I don't want to pay anymore for something I will not use.
Mr Red said "I was told when I purchased the phone I could cancel my data service contract anytime and still have phone. They asked him about purchase date and one of the boys said I will check with my boss. He left then came back a few minutes later, the young man said "You only have to have it for a month, then you can cancel but you have to have the data service to make the switch. I said something to the effect "Oh a one time service fee to have the phone switched over." He replied "YES" I asked the amount, he said 24.95. I asked again "Are your sure? I am more than willing to pay a 24.95 one time fee but I DO NOT WANT TO PAY THIS EVERY MONTH. He said "YES just make sure you call at the end of this month to get it cancelled so you do not go over into another month." He also told me I could not text message without the data service, I said fine I don't text.
So one of the two young men said he would take care of the switch. Red, his wife and I spent about another 30 minutes with this employee while he was transfering phone services. During which I questioned him on being able to load games off my computer onto my cell phone. He assured me I could, all the pda functions and phone were great. When he was done he said "Now don't forget to call to cancel so you don't get charged more than 1 month." I thanked him, paid Mr. D. and left. I went home and started playing with my new phone and toy. I sent my one and only text message ever "Did you get this" and received my first text message "Yes I did" I checked out other functions to make sure everything worked properly. I checked out a couple sites on the phone, definately did not like, too small. Everything works fine.
July 1: I made my first call to have the data service cancelled. When my account was pulled up I was informed by the rep "You have to keep the data service plan with the phone you have, you cannot cancel it." I replied, I bought this phone from an individual I do not have a data service contract, I only have a phone contract, and I do not want the web browser. I believe she said as of August 07 US Cellular requires these phones to have data if you want voice phone. After some discussion she transferred me to another rep.
This rep told me "US cellular only allows these phones to have voice phone without data service after having and paying for a two year data service contract." Applies to blackberries also. I was insistent I wanted the web cancelled, he said to cancel the data services you will have to cancel your phone service. I said "fine cancel my phone contracts" he said "all 5" I said "I dont know, but right now at least this phone." I am making this clear right now I want the web cancelled, if that cancels my phone, then you have cancelled it and I have not" He then says he is not authorized to cancel my phone I needed to talk to a superviser.
I was put in contact with Bill located in Knoxville TN. By this time I was pretty livid, I angrily went thru the whole scenario again and told him "I want the web cancelled, if that cancels my phone then US Cellular is the one breaking the contract, I am not." "I want to honor my phone contract but I will not pay an additonal 25.00 a month on top of my 230.00 for something I do not use and do not want. I do not email, I do not text message and I do not want to browse. I only use mabe 2 hrs at the most a month on voice. Up to this point I had been very happy with us cellular, I bought this phone not wanting to change carriers but if this was not resolved I will have to rethink my decision, when all of our contracts come due. I must say he was calm, cool, very polite and mannerly, and did an excellent job at calming me down, Not one time did he raise his voice or become sharp with me. He was a very nice man and understanding of my side of the issue.
I offered to give him the name and number of Red. He said that was not necessary, he believed my version of the previous conversations with us cellular agents. Given the fact I was given wrong information, by a US Cellular agent he was going to send in a Special form to get this issue taken care of. He was sure US Cellular would not want to lose my business. He said it could take 4 or 5 days before the data service was off. I was concerned about going over the month and he said I called early there would be no additional charges above the 24.95. Said if I had any other problems I could call. I did not speak with Bill after this and I sincerely hope he did not lose his job for trying to do the right thing.
The next couple weeks I kept checking the internet on my phone and the same thing I had pulled up earlier in the month would still be showing on the phone. I decided to wait until I received my bill to see what was going on. I was not sure if the phone was still on the net or if that just stayed there. It was pogo.com or microsoft on there. I did not even try to use my wifi to pogo for fear it would be thru us cellular. My bill date is July 10. I received my bill on Fri or Sat, July 18, or 19. My bill showed a charge of 19.96 for a partial month data service June 16 to July 9. It also showed an additional 24.95 for the following month of July 10 thru August 9. The bill total was 307.61.
Monday July 21: I called US Cellular again and asked to be connected directly to Bill in Knoxville. I was connected to Ron in Knoxville he said Bill was out of the office that day. Went thru the whole story again including conversation with Bill and some kind of form Bill was suppose to have sent in. Ron said it was a Special Remedy form and Bill had indeed submitted the form to a board or somewhere and for some reason there had been no movement on it at all. He was going to check into it, to see what the hold up was, he was sure it could be resolved, it was a no brainer US Cellular would want to keep me as a customer. He would get back to me. He evidently did call back that day but he called the cell phone, not my landline, and I did not notice until late in the day. Somewhere during the conversation, Ron did ask if it was the 24.95 I objected to. I said well YEAH! Why pay for smething I won't use.
July 22:, I called and asked for Ron, he was not available and I left a message that I had called. He called back later that day to say he was still waiting to hear something himself. My impression, was he had talked to his boss and was waiting for a ruling on the special remedy form submitted. He still did not think there would be a problem. I told him I really wanted to get my bill payment in and I needed an to know about the 19.96. I had agreed to pay a one month fee of 24.95 and had no issue with that charge. He looked at the bill to adjust and deduct the 19.96, there was also a 25.00 credit due to my daughter receiving two bad phones from Signal Insurance. Anyway he gave me a total of 260.15. He said he would get back to me as soon as he heard something. I again offered up Red D.'s telephone number, for verification of my story. He said not necessary I was being given the benefit of doubt, and he felt my story was true.
Wed July 23: Spoke with Ron. He suggested I call Red Donaldson to get my phone and my money back, I said he is not going to give me my phone or money back. He said "Oh I thought you said you could call him, I said, "call him to verify the conversations that occurred at the store between the 2 cellular reps, Red, his wife and myself. Ron said they did believe me but I was given bad information. He also suggested if I wanted a pda to get a palm. my reply "Palms don't have cameras." He then asked if I had another phone I could have my service transferred to. My answer was "No!" I purchased and traded my phone inside a US Celluar store in front of a US Cellular reps, after information they gave and assured me, was accurate.
He apologized profusely, for all the misinformation I had been given, but there was nothing that could be done about the situation. He had taken the issue to his boss, his boss had taken it higher. The code they have to make my phone work as a voice phone, will not work on my particular phone. He said it applied to the blackberries also. I believe he said something came out August 07 blackberries and my phone could not have voice service without data service. "Your particular phone will not work as a voice phone without the data service plan." He said a statement was made that no cell phone network will allow data services on a phone for free.
My reply "I dont need data services to make out a grocery list." If these phones will not work without data service then they are not phones. The description of these phones on the US Cellular site does not say they will not work as voice phones without data services. If this is the case this information needs to be put out to the public, because it is fraudulent advertising to call these phones if they cannot work without an internet plan. I know I am not the only person out there that wants one of these phones as a pda with telephone, and personal use only gadget without the web browsing and internet. People are buying these on ebay for the very same reason I bought from an individual.
I looked at and considered dropping my minutes from 2100 to 1400 which is 20.00 difference. to offset the 24.95 data charge, however our used peak minutes is right around 1100, I told him that would be taking chances, and I did not want to get caught paying 25 cents a minute if I went over. I was going to have to think this over. I was and I am not happy. Again I will say Ron was also polite, easy to talk to. I also asked if they had a lower price data service plan. Evidently not. As I told Ron I would have preferred to purchase the phone new with warranty and insurance. Ron said I could still have it insured, but after all the different things I have been told over a 4 month period, I think it best to wait and see if this problem has a resolution.
Thurs July 24: Since I was just told I would not have voice phone unless I paid an additional 24.95 dollars a month I called to have my phone number suspended. I do not want to accrue charges for something I will not use and do not want. I can have my number suspended for up 60 days, it will extend my contract 2 months. I do not have a problem with the extension as long as there is a resolution to this problem. I do not know the name of the last customer service agent I talked to, however this one was short and sharp. I did tell her I had sent a note to contactus@htc.com she said htc had no control over how the cell networks operated regarding the phones. I also told her I would be contacting the better business bureau, asked that my message be forwarded to Ron.
My note to HTC has to do with my being told that my particular phone will not work without an internet plan. If the phone doesn't work without the web, then it is not a pda phone it is an internet only device. If it is an internet only device that should be stated in advertisements because calling it a phone is misleading and fraudulent. I also stated I did not believe what I am being told about the phone and I would like to hear from them if this were true. I kept a copy of my note. I received an acknowledgement email of note received, I have not heard a single word since. I think my note is being ignored and I am being avoided like the plague.
Since having my phone suspended I have checked the net on my phone several times and I cannot get on to pogo or us cellular thru the web browser, which is good I do not want to get on. I was told my phone would not work without the data service, so how is it I can dial up US Cellular and and be connected to their whole recorded options menu and even speak to a customer service rep on the phone. The phone will connect whether I dial their 611 number, or the 1-888- number. Any number I dial will ring up US Cellular So it appears my phone does work without the data services on the phone.
US Cellular does not want to honor my phone contract, unless I pay an additional 24.95 a month for data service, that contradicts what US Cellular reps told me prior to purchase. My phone and data service has been suspended (turned off)yet my phone can dial up US Cellular and connect with a customer service agent. In addition I take issue with the way the phones pricing is being advertised on line, it is misleading.
Their online description should state the phone will not be sold without the data plan.
If the phones really will not work without the data service, then their on-line description should state that fact. If the phone will work without the data plan then I also take issue with their refusal to sell phones without a two year data service contract. If it is a phone sell it as a phone with contract. Data Service should be an optional addition. Internet should not be mandatory to purchase. It is wrong and bamboozling the consumer into additional contracts. I may be an old school baby boomer, but I don't believe the definition of phone has changed. If voice phone relies on internet then that phone needs a new name or companies better redefine phone in their descriptions of such phones.
Not all of the country is business people, some of us are just very busy housewives and moms that take care of numerous people in numerous places. Not everyone that wants a pda phone are internet junkies, some of us are just middle aged baby boomers that want to use a fraction of the convenient features these phones have. None of us wants to pay for something they will not use. I did not just dive into this purchase blind, I made 3 trips to stores and I asked direct questions of US Cellular employees and now they want to charge me for the very questions I asked and statements I made up front before purchase. Based on the several visits I made to the stores and the questions I asked of US Cellular reps prior to purchase I should not have to be taking the time to deal with this issue now.
I read the description of this phone on the cellular site numerous times while I was looking and trying to decide what to do. No where in the description does it say the voice phone is dependent on a data service or the phone will cease to work as a voice phone if you decide not to renew the data service plan at the end of 2 yrs. THE FOLLOWING IS US CELLULARS ONLINE DESCRIPTION AND PRICING ON THE PHONE
This is misleading. It sounds like you can purchase the phone with phone contract until you visit the store and you cannot without a web contract also.
My phone is slated to be reactivate Sep 21 when it does I will not pay 24.95 for data services I do not want. I will not pay taxes or late fees for that 24.95. And I will not cancel my phone or pay 150.00 cancellation fee for 1 phone let alone 5. Based on my efforts to get the right info and the fact my decision to buy this particular pda used was so I could stay with this cell phone company, I thought was the best cell company I had ever been with. This whole situation is just PLAIN WRONG. I have told so many people how happy I had been with US Cellular and now I am just extremely disappointed, I am being forced into this situation, to file a complaint. I had phone suspended so as not to accrue charges for something I do not want and something I was told I would not have to have